Tuesday was the second day of deliberations for the four men charged with plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer.

FILE - In an Oct. 8, 2020 file photo provided by the Michigan Office of the Governor, Michigan Gov. A defense lawyer in that case now represents Ty Garbin, one of six men accused of conspiring to kidnap Democratic Gov. The “big talk” argument likely will be a primary theme for the defense, as attorneys indicated during a preliminary hearing this month. “On its face it looks terrible," Rataj said, referring to police and news reports about the kidnap plot allegations. Defense attorneys, meanwhile, will be on the lookout for those who might be turned off by anti-government paramilitary activities.